Four Truths About Sodom: Homosexuality or attempted gang rape of angels?

Even atheists are familiar with the basics of the story of Sodom and Gomorrah. The common thought is that it was destroyed by fire and brimstone by God because of the homosexuality in the land. What if we were wrong and the answer of why Sodom was destroyed was hidden in plain sight all along? Bellow I reveal 4 truths that will change your perspective on this story forever. The only reason we even believe Sodom was destroyed due to homosexuality is because of our biased minds. We are reading the question thinking we already know the answer.

Before I get to my point, I must also note that the word “sodomy” is a modern word from the assumption that the city of Sodom was connected with males engaged in gay sex. Lets pretend for a moment that this word does not have this meaning yet.

Coast of Sodom

First we must look at the verses in question that describe the story of Sodom. Read them however you want, but know that what follows will question your previous perspective.

Two angels came to Sodom in the evening; and Lot was sitting in the gateway of Sodom… “We will spend the night in the square,” they said. But he (Lot) urged them strongly; so they turned aside to him and entered his house….Before they lay down, the men of the city, the men of Sodom, both young and old, all the people to the last man, surrounded the house; and they called to Lot “Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us, so that we may know them.” … “I beg of you my brothers, do not act so wickedly….Do nothing to these men, as they have come under the shelter of my roof.” But they replied, “Stand back! This fellow came here as an alien (Lot was not a born native of Sodom), and he would play the judge! Now we will deal worse with you then with them.” -Genesis 19:1-11

So, what do you see in these passages? A man who lets 2 men stay at his house, followed by a whole city of homosexuals trying to have sex with them.

Let me reveal to you four truths hidden in plain sight that changes the story of Sodom completely:

  1. These were not human men, but angels.
  2. They were not trying to have “friendly gay sex” with the angels, but gang rape them.
  3. This was written in the book of Genesis two books BEFORE the written code of Biblical laws that appear to condemn homosexuality as a sin.
  4. The story of the men of Sodom happened AFTER God already had the idea to destroy the city.

Okay… Lets refocus. First is to re-read the passage and realize that we are not talking about men of Sodom wanting to form a committed relationship or even engage in “friendly gay sex”with these visitors. Also note, these visitors are not even human men, but angels. Does this sound like anything similar to modern day committed same-sex relationships? Hmmm. Lets keep digging.

1) Angels, not men

Genesis 19:1 Clearly states, “Two angels came to Sodom in the evening.” This changes the story. How can we be talking about homosexuality if these were not even human men, but angels. Even if they appeared as men, would not you consider that humans having sex with Heavenly beings to be unnatural? When we see later verses this becomes more clear. Jude 1:7 speaks of those in Sodom going after “strange flesh” (Greek words: sarkos heteras) which is equated to “going after one not of the same nature or class.” It is obvious that two people of identical gender would be of the same nature or class even more than a male and female. Humans are in a different nature and class to angels just as we are in a different class to animals. Therefore, “strange flesh” is referring to angel and human relations and/or inner-species sex, not gay/lesbian sex.

Some of you may be thinking that men wanting to have intercourse with angels is far fetched. Although seldom discussed among theologians, it was recorded in the Bible that their were fallen angels that had sex with humans before (and possibly after) the great flood. Genesis 6:1-5 records “When human beings began to increase in number on the earth and daughters were born to them, the sons of God (fallen angels) saw that the daughters of humans were beautiful, and they married any of them they chose…The Nephilim (human/angel hybrids, also translated “the giants”) were on the earth in those days—and also afterward—when the sons of God (fallen angels) went to the daughters of humans and had children by them. They were the heroes of old, men of renown (worshiped by humans). And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.” This indicated that there was a race of fallen angel/human hybrids on the earth who corrupted the human bloodline into being amerced into evil. This explains why the practice of having sex with angels is especially forbidden in the eyes of God because of what went wrong in the past. Also in this chapter is the statement that God was going to limit human’s lifespan to 120 years, perhaps taking away their prolonged vitality that they may have received from the fallen angels. Following this verse is the account of the great flood in which only the pure human Noah and his pure human family were spared. It could be possible that having sex with these higher beings would bring about some type of supernatural power which gives a whole other spin to the reason in which the Sodomites attempted sexual acts upon these angels.

2) Attempted gang rape, not sex

Genesis 19:5 states …the men of Sodom, both young and old, all the people to the last man, surrounded the house; and they called to Lot, “Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us, so that we may know them.” First we have a menacing demand from an entire city of men for non-consensual sex. This does not seem comparative to modern day same-sex relationships. Just as in English, the Hebrew language has multiple meanings for words. The word “to know” (Yada’) means a number of things depending on its context. In this verse, we just assume that Yada’ means “to have sex” and ignore the context which obviously shows it means “to rape.” Refocus your lenses for a moment and look at the big picture of the story. You have 2 “men” in a building, and every man in the entire city surrounds them because they are so overly attracted to them that they all want to engage in anal intercourse with them? There has to be something more here that we are missing.

From a cultural perspective we can learn a lot about the mindset of Sodom. In these early human times, men were much more primitive and used to engage in sexual activity for many purposes aside from pleasure. Among other reasons which I will get into later, men would rape other men as a sign of power which is similar to prison rape today. But why would the Sodomites want to rape these men? They just seem like innocent men passing through the city, right? Wrong! Sodom had made rules out of greed not to take in strangers because they felt that they would compromise their wealth. They saw strangers who came into the land to lodge as freeloaders and a threat to their success. The punishment for such a crime of allowing strangers into your home and taking your resources was that of violence as a sign of power, and in this case gang rape. Gang rape was often performed to foreigners who entered their land, not only in Sodom, but in other cities that used this barbaric form of punishment. When Lot tried defending the angels, the Sodomites replied “Now we will deal with you (Lot) worse than them (the angels)!” Clearly, “dealing worse” with Lot meant a stricter punishment of violence (not friendly gay sex), which may not only have been gang rape, but death. Lot was struck with a dilemma, let the angels be raped or be possibly raped and killed himself. He offered his virgin daughters as an alternative, but thankfully the angels struck the Sodomites blind and this did not occur.

How can we know that these men intended to rape the angels? We can know this by looking at other cultural examples of later times. Most Christians do not know the story of Gibeah unless they have read the whole Bible. This gives almost an identical story to Sodom, but with a different outcome. In a similar story in Judges 19, strangers come under the shelter of a residents roof in the inhospitable land of Gibeah. These men also wanted to rape the male visitor, but his concubine was offered instead and was taken as an alternative punishment. (Note that if the men of the city were gay and just wanted to have a good time because they found the visitors attractive, they would not have taken a woman instead.) After gang raping her all night, she was found dead the next morning. (For mor on this, click here.) What this story reveals is the intentions of these cities residents to show power and punishment through sexual violence. This does not describe anything close to modern-day loving committed same-sex relationships.

3) Before Homosexuality appeared to be listed as a sin

So what was known in the time of Genesis that could not be known due to the lack of the Levitical code of rules against homosexuality? God made a covenant with Abraham because He found favor in him due to His faith in God. Simply put, Sodom had a lack of faith in God and went after other gods and engaged in idol worship. This is stated in Ezekiel 16:49 along with other sins that God saw as sinful: “Behold, this was the iniquity of thy sister Sodom, pride, fullness of bread, and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters, neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy.”

Notice that this verse makes no mention of homosexuality. Secondly, many in the time of Genesis were nomads and relied on the hospitality of city residents to lodge. Hospitality was incredibly important to spread God’s word because many were like our common day missionaries and needed a place to sleep. We can see that Sodom had a lack of hospitality. Sodom was a proud rich land, yet it made laws against taking in strangers who were often poor and needed food and lodging.  In the above verse of Ezekiel 16:49 we can see this aspect as the Lord spoke: “Behold, this was the iniquity of thy sister Sodom, pride, fullness of bread, and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters, neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy.”

As promised earlier, I will describe another way in which sexual practice was used in Biblical times which was done for a purpose other than mutual pleasure. When we think of ancient men worshiping idols, we can imagine people bowing to a large statue, and maybe even giving it human sacrifices. Although this is true, we miss an important aspect. Much of idol worship entailed sexual practices, many times with male shrine prostitutes. These men would give their sperm as a sacrifice to the shrine prostitutes that acted as intercessors to the gods. This means that along with heterosexual practice, there was homosexual sex occurring for the sake of idol worship. These were not gay males, but heterosexual males worshiping their gods in the form of sex. Likewise, there were women who served as a vessel for sperm sacrifice, but this was done anally rather than traditionally. Without the possibility of procreation, the sperm was seen as sacrificial to the gods. Additionally, masturbation was used as a sacrifice for the idols. Some male shrine prostitutes would even dress as women to mimic their gods and also appeal to the worshipers who found it difficult to “give their seed” to another male. More on this in my next post which makes Leviticus clear that it is not speaking about homosexuality as a whole, but homosexual sex connected to religious practices in idol worship to the false god, Molech. If you would like a sneak peek, go to http://turn.to/gaychristians and read “Leviticus Abominations.”

4) Story of Sodom happened after God already had the idea to destroy the city

When you read Genesis you will notice that the story about the attempted rape of angels comes after God had already contemplated to destroy the city of Sodom. This means that the city had already been found to be evil in the eyes of God before the incident with the angels occurred. Therefore, the city could not have possibly been destroyed solely due to the actions presented in the story of Sodom. In Genesis 18, Abraham pleaded with God to save the city if 50 were found to be righteous men. He then asked for 40, 30, 20 and then his final offer of 10. God promised that He would not destroy the city if there were 10 righteous men in the city of Sodom. The only righteous man found in the city was Lot, so the two angels were sent to warn Lot and His family to leave the city before its destruction. The definition of righteousness in the time of Lot was not that of following the 10 commandments or the Levitical code, as it did not exist. As mentioned earlier, what was known to be righteous would be a man who had faith in God. This means that the city of Sodom had no faith in God.

So what we have learned is that Sodom was not even speaking about homosexuality, but the attempted gang rape of angels which is NOT descriptive of modern-day gay and lesbian relationships. I don’t know about you, but I have yet to hear a story of  a group of gay men in San Fransisco surrounding a visitors’ house to gang rape them. Clearly this is not talking specifically about all gay and lesbian people, but the attempted gang rape of heavenly beings.

Scientists confirm Sodom was destroyed by fireball

Here is an extra bit for those who believe that the story of Sodom is just that, a story or folklore or myth. Here is a clip from an article about an ancient disk that was found that gave exact trajectories of an asteroid that hit 5,000 years ago that rained fire debris “from heaven” onto the cities of Sodom, Gomorrah, Zeboim, and Admah.

A clay tablet that has baffled scientists for more than a century has been identified as a witness’s account of an asteroid that destroyed the Biblical cities of Sodom and Gomorrah 5,000 years ago. Researchers believe that the tablet’s symbols give a detailed account of how a mile-long asteroid hit the region, causing thousands of deaths and devastating more than one million sq km (386,000 sq miles). The impact, equivalent to more than 1,000 tons of TNT exploding, would have created one of the world’s biggest-ever landslides. Ancient record: Scientists claim the tablet, thought to be a 700BC copy from an even earlier civilisation, describes how a mile-long asteroid hit the Earth. The theory is the work of two rocket scientists – Alan Bond and Mark Hempsell – who have spent the past eight years piecing together the archaeological puzzle. Using computers to recreate the night sky thousands of years ago, they have pinpointed the sighting described on the tablet – a 700BC copy of notes of the night sky as seen by a Sumerian astrologer in one of the world’s earliest-known civilisations – to shortly before dawn on June 29 in the year 3123BC. Half the tablet records planet positions and clouds, while the other half describes the movement of an object looking like a ‘stone bowl’ travelling quickly across the sky. The description matches a type of asteroid known as an Aten type, which orbits the Sun close to the Earth. Its trajectory would have put it on a collision course with the Otz Valley. ‘It came in at a very low angle – around six degrees – and then clipped a mountain called Gaskogel around 11km from Köfels,’ said Mr Hempsell. ‘This caused it to explode – and as it travelled down the valley it became a fireball. ‘When it hit Köfels it created enormous pressures which pulverised the rock and caused the landslide. But because it wasn’t solid, there was no crater.’ The explosion would have created a mushroom cloud, while a plume of smoke would have been seen for hundreds of miles. Mr Hempsell said another part of the tablet, which is 18cm across and shaped like a bowl, describes a plume of smoke around dawn the following morning. ‘You need to know the context before you can translate it,’ said Mr Hempsell, of Bristol University. Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-551010/Decoded-The-clay-tablet-tells-asteroid-destroyed-Sodom-5-000-years-ago.html#ixzz1Lv2z2d72

“Let love be your only debt! If you love others, you have done all that the law demands. In the law there are many commandments such as ‘be faithful in marriage,’ ‘do not murder,’ ‘do not steal,’ ‘do not want what belongs to others.’ But all these are summed up in the commandment that says ‘love others as much as you love yourself.’ no one who loves others will harm them. So love is all that the law demands.– Romans 13:8-12

For more information and an expansion on the topic of homosexuality in the Bible, please visit http://turn.to/gaychristians

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My main mission of this blog is to demystify the confusion of “homosexuality” in the Bible and let the rarely heard alternative perspective be known. I also aspire to spread the loving Word of Christ to the gay and lesbian community who feel left out due to our society. I have extraordinary compassion for gays and lesbians who have struggled with religious persecution, but hope that they can come to know God as loving rather than run from Him forever due to a group of naïve heterosexual Christians who discriminated against them. I want to bridge the gap of these two groups with knowledge! If only I had a bigger podium to accomplish this… Please spread the word. Thank you and happy reading! https://moanti.wordpress.com/2010/08/02/gaychristians/
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24 Responses to Four Truths About Sodom: Homosexuality or attempted gang rape of angels?

  1. robinb333 says:

    Everyone needs to know the word of God, regardless of your choices, actions, race or sex. But I do not agree that the reason Sodom and Gomorrah was destroyed was because of the attempted gang rape of the Angels. If you read Genesis chapter 18:20-21 it states, And the lord said, Because the cry of Sodom and Gomorrah is great, and because their sin is very grievous; I will go down now, and see whether they have done altogether according to the cry of it, which is come unto me; and if not, I will know. And if you continue to read the remaining scriptures, you will see Abraham asked for the righteous to be spared. So, it’s not about the attempted gang rape of the angels…..GOD ALREADY knew what was going on in that city! It was ALL GRIEVOUS SINS God was referring to.

    Personally, I do not believe homosexuality is right, but it’s my opinion! I can not judge you any more than you can judge me. We all have our burdens to bear and overcome. Sin is sin! But what we can do is, love one another, pray for each other and continue to spread God’s commandments and Jesus’s teachings.

    God bless you!!!!

    • Hi there thank you for the comment. I totally agree with you. In fact, if you re-read my post you will see that point 4 (out of the 4 truths of Sodom) was that God had already decided to destroy the city. I was not trying to say that it was destroyed due to the attempted rape of angels, just that homosexuality had nothing to do with it. In fact, God does give the reason as to why He destroyed the city in Ezekiel 16:49 “Behold, this was the iniquity of thy sister Sodom, pride, fullness of bread, and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters, neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy.”

      God bless you as well and thank you for reading my post! 🙂

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  3. Mason Barge says:

    Your four points about Sodom are correct, with one exception. God had not decided to destroy Sodom prior to the attempted rape of the two angels. The angels were sent to investigate Sodom and, in combination with God’s promise to Abraham to spare the city if ten righteous men could be found living there, the operant quote from Genesis 19 is that the attempted rape was the work of every person in the city “to the last man”. God then destroyed Sodom, because this attempted crime proved that there were not ten righteous men in the city.

    • Thanks Mason! I suppose that the way I worded this was incorrect. Because the idea from God to destroy Sodom is mentioned before Genesis 19, it was my interpretation that God already knew what He was going to do. But technically it is true that the 10 righteous men were not found when the angels came in, so then afterward, Sodom was destroyed. Thank you for pointing this out. When I have time, I will have to explain this in the article as not to mislead anyone. Thanks again. 🙂

    • DS says:

      I think a better question would be why the “all knowing” creator of the universe would need to send a scouting party to a town on a speck of dust in the cosmos in order to ascertain what is going on there. Some “god” lol

      The answer of course is that it’s a fairytale, like all Bible stories. Most of them were copied from earlier myths. Even the Biblical god Yahweh was copied from an earlier Sumerian storm/war god of the same name.

      • Hello there DS,
        I can safely assume that you are neither a believer in Christianity, Judaism, or any other faith-based belief system in a Creator. (please correct me if I’m wrong.) I am curious to know if you ever held any of these beliefs at any point in your life, if you wouldn’t mind sharing.

        I completely see your point and even the humor in what you said about an all knowing God having to send out a scouting party to ascertain what’s going on in a speck of dust in the cosmos. Thinking of it in that way, of course it seems silly. However, this was not the literal intention of this action. I don’t know if you have a working knowledge of the Hebrew language, but I won’t bore you with the hermeneutic linguistics of this passage. But I will say that Genesis 18 makes clear that Yahweh was already planning the destruction of Sodom, but for the sake of Abraham, He gave the city one more chance. To do so, angels were sent as a test to the city as basically one last chance to prove to Abraham that the city was worthy of destruction. Already knowing that it was, the angels also served as the rescue party of Abrahams nephew, Lot and his family. So this is not a case of an all knowing God not knowing what would occur next, but a compassionate God performing an act for the sake of the ones He loved by rescuing them from destruction.

        Even as an atheistic unbeliever, I would have to say that stating that all bible stories are “fairy tails” is false, as historical evidence proves many (not all) Biblical accounts. To discount physical evidence is not in the nature of science. On that note, I believe that some Bible accounts are in fact allegorical, just as Jesus used parables to teach lessons. To an ancient people, the 7-day creation account of Genesis is obviously a summary of evolution. When Christians deny scientific evidence in exchange for Biblical literalism, it can certainly make us look bad. Yet the parallels of both are more than roughly aligned: “Let their be light” (evolution-Big Bang), earth created but without water or life form (evolution-early planetary stages), creation of the sea and land (evolution-evolution of the earth), creation of the creatures of the sea (evolution- life started in the water), creation of animals of the land and sky (evolution- animals came first), creation of humans (evolution-humans evolved after animals.) etc. Even man coming from “the dust” is reminiscent of evolutionary theory of life coming from a combining of cosmic elements and binding together on earth as living amebas. So evolution does not at all discount a Creator, nor does the Biblical account of creation discount evolution.

        As a side note, the Sumerian creation account does not hold the same order of the Biblical creation account and makes people first, then animals, along with many other contradictions. So the Biblical account is different and more symbolically accurate to evolution. One should also remember that Scripture states that “a day is but a thousand years to The Lord and a thousand years but a day,” which suggests His timing is much different than our earth time.

        As far as your claim of Yahweh being the Sumerian war/storm God and having the same name, there are a few problems with that. I think you may be thinking of the Sumerian god Enki (not “Yahweh.”) This mistaken belief that they had the same name has been deemed to be a mistranslation of Akadian script. The promise land of Israel is not the modern borders we see today and the areas of Sumer were in what became ancient Israel. Abraham’s family was from Sumer in the city of Ur and the Bible states that they had numerous false gods and idols. As a believer and reader of the Biblical text, it makes clear that these inhabitants were not loyal to Yahweh and worshiped other “gods.” Some worshiped Him along side other idols, as well as mistakingly attributed some of Yaweh’s works to idols such as Ba’al. So to claim His non-existence from earlier evidence of His existence would be foolish.

        I am not an expert on ancient gods, but I do know that the world in that time was much different from today. The Sumerians may have known the stories of earths creation and twisted them into myths and legends and Abraham (and others) could have told the true account (in a way that an ancient people could understand.) The truth is, the best of scientists cannot emphatically disprove the existence of a Creator (nor can they emphatically prove it.) In fact, scientists are growingly admitting that there is much evidence of a Creator. But there is of course a large element of faith that comes into play, as I believe that our Creator made us with the free will to love Him or reject Him without absolute face to face proof of His existence in OUR time. He is not without control, but freely gives us the control to make decisions for ourselves so that the choice to follow and obey Him is genuine. For one to chose, there must be alternative choices which are evident in the many deceiving belief systems that derail many from a belief in our true Creator. Even more devastating are the ones who cause harm in the name of Yahweh. Scripture states that “Love does no harm to their neighbor, therefore LOVE IS ALL THE LAW DEMANDS.” (Romans 13:10). In wrapping up, I must apologize for the many Christians that misuse Scripture, but must say that such people that cause harm do not represent the true nature of Yahweh. Thank you again for your comments.
        -Moanti

    • Chas says:

      Great examination!

  4. yuriy says:

    I didn’t go so far as to read the whole article and all the comments. I read few sentences where you said that sodomy was O.K. and you made the effort to spread the message.
    Look, sodomy is not O.K. No way. How do I know it? Because the Bible says so. I’m sure you know all the verses concerning this full well.
    But maybe because there are certain mistranslations in the Bible you missed the point here.
    Nobody on Earth at this time explains this better than my teacher.
    Go ahead and visit his website and you might get a better perspective.

    • Greetings Yuriy, my brother in Yahshua,
      Thank you for your comment. I’m sorry you didn’t read my full article, but hope you’ll at least read my full comment. I did not say that “sodomy” was okay. This would imply that all anal sex is acceptable in all contexts which I do not believe or promote. Although I assume that you are using the term “sodomy” to mean homosexual sex, which I would still NOT promote as okay in all contexts just as I would not promote every heterosexual sex activity as “ok” (but only that of a loving monogamous God-centered life-long covenant.) Instead, I explained how the events that took place in the city of Sodom were not descriptive of homosexual relationships, but instead, of attempted gang rape between the residents of Sodom and the angel visitors. This is clear when you read this in context. This condemnation of this violent and harmful activity is aligned with all other defined sins within Holy Scripture as a harmful and unloving act. Romans 13:8-10 states, “Owe no one anything, except to love each other, for the one who loves another has fulfilled the law. For the commandments, ‘You shall not commit adultery, You shall not murder, You shall not steal, You shall not covet,’ and any other commandment, are summed up in this word: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ Love does no harm to a neighbor; therefore love is all that the law requires.”

      As far as the other verses that have been suspect of condemning all of homosexuality, each can be explained in detail to connect it’s disapproval of other harmful activities, none of which condemn a loving God-centered monogamous life-long covenant between 2 members of the same gender, but rather homosexual acts of rape, homosexual acts of prostitution, homosexual promiscuity and lust, homosexual acts as an act of idol worship, etc. If you were willing to read, I could share all of these Scriptural explanations with you and demonstrate that the Bible condemns same gender sexual acts in the same context that it condemns heterosexual sexual acts; not in a monogamous God-centered union. I have spent years in study of these Scriptures in the original language and have an everlasting thirst for the Holy knowledge contained in this Book. I would love to read the teachings of your teacher, as I am always open to looking at all sides. I went to his website, but could not find a link for this topic. Would you please send me the link to it? I would very much appreciate it. Thank you and may Yahweh bless you and guide you through the Ruach HaKodesh with the knowledge of His perfect Word!
      Your sister in Yahshua,
      Moanti

  5. yuriy says:

    I suggest you help yourself. Get down to the materials on the website. Its not like you come and go. We want you to stay. And check out Prophetic Word Program at the bottom.

    • Dear Yuryi,
      I will explore the website, but I would still like a link to this topic if you have it. Unfortunately I don’t have an abundance of free time so I would like to read/listen to your teachers explanation of this topic. Thank you also for the recommendation about the Prophetic Word Program. Anything having to do with Bible prophecy is of great interest to me. Look forward to hearing back from you. Thanks!
      Your sister in Yahshua,
      Moanti

      • Dear Yuriy,
        Thank you for sharing this link with me… I do want to discuss a few things with you that your teacher has said. I don’t intend for any disrespect towards him, as I believe he is a fervent Believer. I just want to bring up a few things that elevate concern and get your perspective and also share mine as a fellow Believer. I believe you have come to this website for a reason and I pray we can both benefit in good fruit from our interaction.

        I was expecting his website to attempt to prove the sinfulness of homosexuality in the Bible, but instead it primarily connects “sodomy” to Catholicism and claims that the Catholic Church is that antichrist kingdom and wants to make everyone sodomites…. Quoted, “These tactics have been used by the popes for thousands of years in trying to destroy all Righteousness and establish a world of sodomites.” This premise assumes that one can become gay by matter of choice or even by force. I can assure you with all of my experience as a human being that attraction and capacity to fall in love is not by choice and cannot be forced. If this were so, then there would be no such thing as unrequited love. Not to mention that if sexual orientation had been by choice, I would have chosen to be straight from the start and we wouldn’t be having this dialog. If you believe that sexual orientation is a choice, than will you please explain the moment in which you consciously chose to be a heterosexual? One can force physical acts upon another which is an act of harm (thus an act of sin), but one cannot force mental/physical/affectional attraction to manifest. So there is a big difference between homosexual sex acts (which heterosexuals can potentially engage in) and homosexual love and attraction (which heterosexuals cannot engage in and vise versa.) Let it be known that I am opposed to any person being forced or coerced to go against their convictions. If one feels that homosexuality is a sin to them, then let them not personally engage in it, for then they have sinned regardless of it’s true nature (sinful or not sinful.) Read Romans 14 for more on this concept.

        The article also connects sodomy as the reason for nearly every ill of the world. Quoted, “Sodomy is a means of destroying the mind. It brings confusion so that sensible decisions cannot be made. We see this today, where every plan and every action of man has become a mound of deeper problems; so much so, that the world leaders become frustrated and think that nuclear destruction is the only way out.” Please correct me if I’m wrong, but is your teacher suggesting that sodomy is the root cause for all wars and nuclear destruction? If this is the case, than where does he find such proof of it’s connection?

        In addition, the article frequently replaces words such as “abomination” and “defilement” to be equally interchangeable in Scripture with homosexual relationships. This is not Scripturally contextually accurate to assume when there are many defined abominations and defilements mentioned in the Word which have nothing to do with a possible connection to gay sex. It appears that your teacher has chosen this one thing (“sodomy”) and used it as the basis of defining abomination in all of Scripture. Even the cup filled with abominations (plural) of the prostitute of Mystery Babylon is said by your teacher to represent sodomy. The inhabitants of the earth who drink her abominations are just all engaging in gay sex?

        Even verses which mention a city compared with Sodom are all compared to being cities of homosexuals. Do you and your teacher believe that the city of Sodom was exclusively full of gays and lesbians? If such is true, how then were there children in Sodom as noted in Genesis 19 when same-sex partners cannot procreate? How would such cities remain on the map if all were partnered with the same gender? Let it be known to you that in Biblical times, heterosexual males would rape other males as a sign of power, payment or punishment (similar to modern-day prison rape between otherwise heterosexual men.) Inhospitable cities such as Sodom would rape foreign visitors for this very reason. Males were considered of higher value than females, hence the denial of Lot’s virgin daughters. Remember that the men of Sodom threatened that they “would do worse to him (Lot) than to them (the angels)” if he would not give them up. “Doing worse” is a threat of death, perhaps even rape unto death. Please compare Genesis 19 with Judges 19 and see a nearly identical story to Sodom. Their intentions were made known when the men of Gibeah demand “to know” the male visitor, but instead took his concubine and gang-rape her all night to the point of death. This violent act has no comparison to 2 monogamous members of the same gender in a life-long union. So how can we use these stories to condemn them? Even the Hebrew word for “to lie with” (pertaining to “with a male”) in Leviticus 18 and 20 is only used throughout all of Scripture in the context of rape or sex by deceptive coercion (as there are other words for “to lie with” that always and only mean basic intercourse.) How then can we say that only these 2 verses mean consensual sex? (As a side note, the second “lie with” in regards to a female is a different word which in other Scriptural contexts means “bed,” not “lie with.” Not to mention that “female” is more accurately the word for “wife.”)

        As a brief side-note, another culturally based sexual act common in the Biblical times were that of shrine or temple prostitutes. Males (as well as females) would work as intercessors to the idol gods and receive the idol worshipers sperm as a sacrifice (done anally as not to procreate.) This practice can be seen throughout Scripture, especially when we investigate the original language. Modern Bibles replace the true word for “seed” (semen) with “children” which gives an entirely different meaning. Although if you read through the books of 1 and 2 Kings, much of this shrine or temple prostitution is contextually preserved except for Bible translations which falsely insert the word “Sodomite” in it’s place which represents a bold-faced misleading mistranslation.

        I suppose the only rational for homosexuality doing harm is the websites reference to it being connected to STD’s. Is this not also true of heterosexuals who engage in sinful promiscuous sexual activity? If we are going to go on the path of HIV/AIDS being the rational for homosexuality being harmful, than what do we make of the fact that there have been zero cases reported by the CDC to date of a lesbian contracting HIV/AIDS from sexual activity with a woman? (Remember that by law, all HIV positive individuals report to the CDC.) This would seem then that lesbian sex is the safest and to use safety as a measure of moral behavior would put it as the least sinful. This is obviously not what I am suggesting… I am only showing how this is not a sound argument.

        On a positive note, your teacher quoted 1 John 3:4-“Whoever commits sin, transgresses also the Laws; for sin is the transgression of the Laws.” And also 1 John 3:10-” Whoever does not practice Righteousness is not of Yahweh, and he does not love his neighbor!” Again I remind you, Romans 13, which lists that which is in the Law and says that all summed up, “Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfilling of the Law.” So if 2 members of the same gender are in a God-centered monogamous life-long union, than this reflects love, not harm. When we define this type of relationship as a sinful behavior, it goes completely against the overall theme of transgressing the Law. It goes against all other defined sins of causing harm and not demonstrating love. In fact, it appears to be the opposite by defining this love as a sin and defining harm to gays as something of Holy virtue. But when we see these verses through the lens of their proper linguistic and cultural context, we can see that the acts spoken of in these verses are not condemning the same-gender union, but rather the additional harmful behavior that were performed between the same gender of this time, such as rape, promiscuity, prostitution and idolatrous sex rituals. Not all homosexuals engage in such acts. If this were so, than why would any even attempt to partake in marriage?

        One must ask themselves about the fruits of these doctrines which condemn all homosexual people, and at worst, connect them to the antichrist. Does it bear good fruit to condemn all gays and proclaim that they are forbidden from Salvation unless they act against their innate capacity for genuine love and instead force themselves to be with a partner which they have no capacity to love (in a heterosexual marriage)? Or should we rather be fruitful and multiply Believers, knowing that all are sinners before the throne of our Elohim and we are only saved through the grace of Yahshua’s blood Covenant on the cross? Which is better; to promote love or reject it? I have sadly seen multitudes of gays and lesbians run from the church after being condemned as un-savable. Will not these church members be judged for causing an entire group of potential Believers to run from Salvation because they were rejected by the ones who proclaim His Holy Name?

        These inconsistencies I suggest in this comment are mainly simple on-the-surface arguments. I go into the deep Biblical explanations on my website which gives strong evidence to these notions. Please read through my research on the topic of homosexuality in the Bible and then see if these assertions by your teacher still make sense…. This can be found at http://www.gaychristians.2freedom.com But before you read, I ask you to sincerely pray to Yahweh for guidance by the Holy Spirit. In all things, ask for yourself to be guided by Him so that you may discern the difference between true Spiritual conviction and your own feelings (which could be derived from a personal repulsion.) I also recommend that you read through the whole of Romans 14 which demonstrates how Christians can have varied convictions and still all be Christians. We all represent different parts of the body of Christ with differing functions.

        What I can say for certain is that we as Believers are saved through the grace of Yahweh’s Son’s mighty blood covenant on the cross. Without His blood, none would be worthy to be saved. So the question remains, how strong is His blood to save us? This question appears to be answered in many passages, but the first that comes to mind is “My grace is sufficient for you, as my power is made perfect in your weaknesses.” -2 Corinthians 12:9. Remember that anyone in their human sinful state will not inherit the Kingdom of Yahweh. Only those who have been washed, sanctified and justified by the blood of Yahshua will enter. None are worthy without His act on the cross and none are seen as sinless except by His covering of Holy Blood. As Believers, we are not condemned unto death, even though we ALL deserve it. The Kingdom will have no abomination, defilement, sin or death only because we have been made clean through Him. “What God has cleansed, no longer consider unworthy.” -Acts 10:15. With this said, it is a drastically important mission to lovingly guide gays and lesbians to the saving grace of Salvation as part of the “whosoever” in John 3:16. When the church proclaims that they are unworthy to partake in Salvation, it many times causes them to flee or feel so hopeless in condemnation that many commit suicide. This is the ultimate of being unloving and doing harm and I can’t help but think of the prophecy of Yahshua of latter times in which “the love of many will grow cold.” -Matthew 24:12.

        Lastly, it should be noted that the Bible does obviously promote marriage between a male and female. This speaks to the majority. Note that hermaphrodites (those born with both male and female sexual organs) are not mentioned in Scripture. So who are they allowed to marry? What I suggest in light of the Scriptural evidence is that this is a blueprint for marriage as a God-centered monogamous life-long covenant in which gender is unimportant. Just as the message came “first to the Jew, then to the Gentile,” I feel that the blueprint for marriage came first to the heterosexual, then to the homosexual. We can only work with what we have been given. The bottom line is that the salvation of Yahshua is open to whosoever believes in Him, not simply to straight people. There is but One judge and One salvation, and we must bring all to this saving knowledge. We must proclaim to ALL, “there is no God but Yahweh and Yahshua is His Son.” With this Gospel in my heart, do you still see it fit to condemn me my brother?
        Your sister in Yahshua,
        Moanti

  6. yuriy says:

    I wouldn’t expect you to repent and convert in an instant. Take your time.

    • I assume by your response that you don’t believe that I’m already accepted by Yahweh as a Believer. Thankfully, I only have One just Judge to determine my eternal fate; not that of man. The difference I can determine between us is that you believe that homosexuality is a sin, and for me after years of prayer and study of Scripture, I do not feel that Scripture is condemning of homosexuality in all contexts. Regardless, I know that the grace of Yahweh expands to all who accept His Son’s blood Covenant, and this I have been given, as it is promised and I believe it. So despite my sinful state as a human being and daily attempt to flee from sin, He has washed, sanctified and justified me only by His works.

      If you will not read my research on the gay issue, will you at least read my studies into the miraculous hidden meanings behind the words in Scripture by the use of Yahweh’s Divine Hebrew and Aramaic letters? I prayed for Holy knowledge from Yahweh and He answered my prayer and revealed these things to me which are astounding and I would like to share them with you as a fellow Believer, as I feel it will strengthen your faith and that of all to those you share this knowledge: https://moanti.wordpress.com/2014/04/26/aramaic-and-hebrew-letters-reveal-hidden-meaning-in-the-bible-including-the-words-for-god-jesus-peace-sin-homosexuality-etc/

      Let me give you a preview of what is in this link. First it must be known that the Hebrew and Aramaic language is like no other. Rather than finding meaning in root words, we can find that there is ancient meaning in each individual letter. When we combine the letter-meanings together, we can find some miraculous truths that prove that Yahshua is the Messiah. (Note that the chart for the ancient letter meanings can be found at the bottom of the page in the link.) Here is an excerpt about just one word:
      “Truth – אֱמֶת Emet
      אֱ Aleph – God
      מֶ Mem – Mighty, blood
      ת Tav – Cross, covenant
      The word for “truth” in Hebrew is yet another miraculous sign of the truth of God and Messiah’s sacrifice. The word itself is compromised of the first, middle and last letters of the Hebrew alphabet, representing all encompassing truth. Even more amazing is that the letters themselves point towards truth as God the mighty blood covenant sacrifice on the cross! Praise Yahweh for the One and only Truth! “and you will know the TRUTH, and the TRUTH will set you free.” – John 8:32. ‘Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the TRUTH, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.”‘ -John 14:6 They exchanged the TRUTH about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator–who is forever praised. Amen. Romans 1:25”

      As a disclaimer, the last section of the link involves looking into the letter meanings of the words connected to homosexuality, but you do NOT have to read this section at all. I would rather you gain knowledge in things that are pertinent to all Believers and I can assure you that your spirit will agree with what is written in this text. Please let me know what you think…
      Your sister in Yahshua,
      Moanti

  7. Ronald says:

    The article said that gay men wouldnt take a concubine but in prison you see heterosexual men commiting homosexual acts all the time because of their lust which is what i think was the chief concept. I dont see why people debate it but its obvious homosexuality is a sin. God made a man and woman first and that woman would be to accompany the man. I think jesus didnt mention it because its already clearly a sin also even if you dont identify as homosexual they are still homosexual acts which is sin. Ultimately however, i think questions like these should be asked of god in your own individual relationship with him.Although i dont think their is need for a question regarding homosexuality

    • Rod O'Brien says:

      The pre-programming of a specific belief in the minds of many, even most, Christians is the belief that they will espouse to regardless of any valid contrary beliefs.

  8. Troy says:

    You stated; ” homosexuality had nothing to do with it. In fact, God does give the reason as to why He destroyed the city in Ezekiel 16:49 “Behold, this was the iniquity of thy sister Sodom, pride, fulness of bread, and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters, neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy.”

    I would say you are wrong that homosexuality had nothing to do with it, it wasn’t homosexuality alone but homosexuality was a bi-product. Because it was part of the cause and effect of ” pride” As taught in Romans 1. Professing to be wise, they became fools, and exchanged the glory of the incorruptible God for an image in the form of corruptible man and of birds and four-footed animals and crawling creatures. Therefore God gave them over in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, so that their bodies would be dishonored among them.…and exchanged the glory of the incorruptible God for an image in the form of corruptible man and of birds and four-footed animals and crawling creatures. Therefore God gave them over in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, so that their bodies would be dishonored among them. For they exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.
    …Therefore God gave them over in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, so that their bodies would be dishonored among them. For they exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen. For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural,
    and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error.…

    Foolishness is the opposite of humility therefore pride. Pride never receives Grace only humility receives Grace.
    To reject the Divine power of God to change us, is pride, and God resist or opposes the proud. If I draw near to God I must hate the World and the things of this World system, this is humility.
    If am a drunkard, thief, homosexual or fornicator . I must humble myself before God and trust Him to empower me to turn from the enslavement of sin through the power of the life of Christ in me. This is what it means to be called Christian..

    As in any sin I must change everything in my environment in order to keep my self from being tempted by it. Resist the Devil and he will flee.
    Lest there bee any fornicatour, or profane person, as Esau, who for one morsell of meat sold his birthright.
    Rom 8 clarifies that the flesh and the carnal mind wars against God. But if Christ dwells in us the same Spirit that raised His dead carcass from the dead WILL give empowerment to our mortal bodies to overcome sin.
    So I hope I am clear that homosexuality is part of the Sodom story. You said you prayed and sought. I would say many will come in that day and say Lord Lord we did this in your name and we that in your name. And He will say go from me workers of iniquity I never knew you.
    You may desire to justify your lifestyle all you want but the scripture as a whole must match. That is how we know what is TRUTH. Because it is too easy to fabricate a doctrine by picking and choosing verses. We must alway reconcile one passage to the other. If I say am a Christian and practice not the truth I lie. That was the root of the problem of Romans 1

    • Dear Troy,
      Thank you for your comment! I must apologize for the lengthy delay, as I did not see it in my email notifications until now and I was not intentionally withholding your message from being approved. Anyhow, I wanted to say that the Sodom story is indirectly connected to homosexual acts, but not homosexuality as an orientation. The attempted gang-rape between men has all of it’s intent in causing harm and violence and it was performed in those days for reasons of power, punishment or payment. If we used Romans 1 as a template for how one becomes homosexual, than we would have to assume that every gay person once knew God, but rejected Him for idols, and therefore God gave them over to homosexuality. But this is not the case…. The connection of “pride” to homosexuality is a product of the promotion of “gay pride,” which I emphatically disagree with… I have never once attended a pride event, pride parade, etc. Pride itself does not give birth to homosexuality as a sexual orientation, nor does rejecting God for idols. Instead it would seem the context of Romans 1 shows that these Romans did know God, and then began worshiping idols instead of God, and with that came what Paul described as acts that idol worshipers did at that time, which was engage in anal sex with both the female and male shrine prostitutes. Please excuse the graphic nature of this, but the women would act as intercessors to the idols and accept the seed of the male as a sacrifice. This was done anally, as it had to be non-procreative to be considered a sacrifice. Likewise the men did the same amongst each other ( as there were both male and female shrine prostitutes that had anal sex with the idol believers.) So the heterosexual and homosexual anal sex acts that were described in Romans 1 shows that the context was that of idol worshipers who had once known God, but had rejected Him to do these acts. With these acts came all sorts of evil listed after verse 27 and they practiced and approved of all of them. A Christian who happens to have a gay orientation (or straight orientation) would not practice and approve of the things listed there nor would they practice or approve these sexual acts as a form of worship.

      It is an unfair comparison to assert that these passages are condemning the gay orientation itself and this doctrine has sadly brought many away from coming into the salvation of Jesus Christ. The fruit of this anti-gay doctrine has not brought about many believers because the exclusivity of heterosexuality is so obvious. This is not just referring to gays, but also to straights who can see the contradicting nature of the proclaimed message that “God hates gays.” Would The Lord want a group of potential followers to be cast out from salvation because they were labeled as excluded from even being a candidate? We are all unworthy and none are righteous enough to gain salvation by their own works. It is only by the grace of God through faith in His Son that we are sanctified and justified through His work on the cross. It would seem that many Christians exclude gays from being eligible for salvation and disregard the “whosoever” in John 3:16 to mean “only heterosexuals.” On the topic of pride, it would seem that many heterosexual Christians easily condemn homosexuality in their own pride because they see it as a sin that they would never commit. I’m not saying that this is the motivation for all that do this, but for some it is. Salvation is not found in heterosexuality, but only through the perfect blood sacrifice of Jesus on the cross.

      Not only has this anti-gay doctrine caused many to flee from the only way of salvation, it has also caused many well-meaning homosexuals who sought Christianity to commit suicide after their orientation was never changed after years of prayer. It would seem that personal conviction is being confused as the way in which all Christians must behave. A believer that holds a heterosexual orientation is going to be personally convicted against going against their nature and performing homosexual acts. But for the homosexual, any personal sexual bond with the opposite sex is equally as unnatural for them. There are differing personal convictions between genuine believers. This is made very clear in Romans chapter 14. Furthermore, the apostle Paul was personally convicted that singleness was the best way and even expressed that he wished all believers were single. Yet he had the discernment to know that this was a personal conviction and not a command for all Christians. Celibacy is also shown to be a spiritual gift and not all Christians have the same spiritual gifts. The body of Christ is made up of many parts, and with many parts comes differing functions.

      All of the passages that appear to condemn homosexuality in our modern Bible translations can be refuted when one looks at the linguistic and cultural context of each verse. Yes, male homosexual sex acts were involved, but nothing that would be remotely comparable to a God-centered life long monogamous union between two believers of the same gender, but rather a condemnation of other harming acts such as gang-rape, idol worship sex rituals, shrine prostitution, promiscuity, lust, etc.

      There are a lot of weak arguments out there for the gay-affirming translation and the stronger ones seem to go unnoticed or rather less publicly attacked because they are harder to refute. I’ve spent years of study into these passages and feel the original language of Scripture is the best source. When one meticulously cross references and studies every word in its Biblical context and allows the Bible to define the words in Bible, all things point towards additional acts of harm as the target sin and more importantly, Christ as the redeemer for any and all who accept Him. His grace is truly sufficient and His power is made perfect in our weakness.

      So rather than fixate on the Old Testament command to be fruitful and multiply, I would assert that the deeper message to all believers (regardless of orientation, gender or or marital status) is to be spiritually fruitful and multiply believers. Any doctrine which brings people away from Christ should be up for investigation at the very least because the fruit becomes rotten. We know that the Bible speaks to the majority and heterosexual unions are promoted throughout. But in a world where the majority are heterosexual, this is not one bit surprising. It would seem that just as the Message came first to the Jew, than to the Gentile, the blueprint for marriage as a Christ-centered monogamous life-long covenant came first to the heterosexual, than to the homosexual.

      Lastly, we can learn some amazing things from the ancient Hebrew language which show an even deeper meaning into the entire Bible. The Hebrew language differs from others in that it has root letters rather than root words. Each letter has an ancient meaning, and when we combine the meanings in a word, we can not only know it’s meaning, but it demonstrates amazing Spiritual truth. Speaking of truth, I will give this word as an example. The Hebrew word for “truth” is אֱמֶת (emet) and is compromised of the first middle and last letters of the Hebrew alphabet. This shows how it is all encompassing truth. Secondly, the first letter א Aleph represents strength and God. The second letter is מ Mem which represents mighty and blood. The last letter is ת Tav and in it’s ancient Hebrew script, it appears as 2 crossed sticks which form a cross and it represents a covenant. So when we put these 3 Hebrew letters together, we know that the word for “truth” means “the STRENGTH of GOD’s MIGHTY BLOOD COVENANT on the CROSS.” How incredible is that! Praise God!!!! So when the Romans exchanged the truth for a lie and worshiped created images instead of the Creator, we know that they exchanged the strength of God’s Mighty blood Covenant on the cross for idolatry. So a Christian, wether gay or straight, cannot be doing the same as the Romans, as they are under the mighty blood covenant of Christ and cleansed through Him! If you’re interested in this Hebrew study of letters, I’ve written a lengthy post on this here: https://moanti.wordpress.com/2014/04/26/aramaic-and-hebrew-letters-reveal-hidden-meaning-in-the-bible-including-the-words-for-god-jesus-peace-sin-homosexuality-etc/ I was led to study this after prayer for further Scriptural wisdom and came upon the knowledge of the letter meanings through the Ancient Hebrew Research Center.

      Thank you again for your thorough comment! May God bless you and strengthen you in the knowledge of His Word!
      Your sister in Christ,
      Moanti

  9. Rod O'Brien says:

    Well, we can pretty much wrap this up right away. This will undoubtedly send the anti-gay brigade into a flap but THIS is what the TaNaKh says:

    4When they had not yet retired, and the people of the city, the people of Sodom, surrounded the house, both young and old, the entire populace from every end[of the city].

    5And they called to Lot and said to him, “Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us, and let us be intimate with them.”

    Where does it say men?…Seems women, children and babies were included in the Sodom “welcome Committee”. What say, folks? Does THIS take the wind out of your anti-gay sails?

    • Hello there Rod,
      I wanted to apologize that your comment got “lost” amongst my emailed notifications and had no intention of delaying it’s approval for this long! I just wanted to thank you for sharing! I’ve also come across this argument because it would seem that it is speaking about all the people of Sodom, not just males. Okay so you’ll be happy to know that I just checked the original Hebrew translation of Genesis 19:3 and you are correct! The Hebrew words that are misleadingly translated as “men” (with the assumption of referring to males) are אֱנוֹשׁ enosh and עָם am, which both mean “people” of either gender. The first time where one might be able to identify the Sodomites as males is in Genesis 19:7 when Lot addresses them as אָח ach, which means “brothers.” But this would not be uncommon for the male of the house to address the other males since they would be seen as in charge. Then in Genesis 19:11, אּישׁ ish is used, which is translated to many different words, but usually in a masculine way. But again, those who would try to break down the door would be assumed to be the strongest which would likely be males. So it seems that the city was filled with both men and women who surrounded the house in an act of violent intimidation. A very similar story can be seen in Judges 19 and the result was the gang-rape and murder of the visitors concubine. So the intent of both cities would seem to be the same. Thank you very much for your comment and sorry again for the great delay!
      -Moanti

    • troy says:

      Rob you have three problems, one a really bad translation. Second a lack of understanding to the Hebrew language and last; you need to read the whole chapter and circle the word men and brother. Understand it in context.
      Also verse 4 is speaking of men, young and old and men from all quadrants of the city even the encampments around the city. Verse 7 he called them brother not sisters and said do not so wickedly. Speaking of wanting to have sex with the men. Lot said that he had two daughters that had not known a man.
      It doesn’t speak of women, children and babies as you stated. But it does state that the men at the door were smote.
      But you can keep trying to justify homosexuality. But you will also have to take Romans 1 from your Bible or re-write it as you have done with this passage.

  10. Rod O'Brien says:

    I find it most offensive that I am accused of ‘trying to justify homosexuality’ when all I am doing is attempting to correct cruel myths as perpetrated on gay people by ignorant Christians. Romans 1 (a letter written by a MERE MORTAL, PAUL!) is referring to sexual rituals, practices involving sacred shrine temple prostitution pagan and idolatry …NOT homosexuality per se. That you are evidently too dense (just calling a spade a spade) to see this is not my problem.

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